tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post2228657417633456973..comments2024-03-24T11:39:28.574-04:00Comments on NYC Public School Parents: Bring Back the Traditional, One-Hundred-Point Exam?Patrick Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10631038958645725010noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-14082322979689810302010-08-11T18:18:36.403-04:002010-08-11T18:18:36.403-04:00good old fashioned percent combined with tests tha...good old fashioned percent combined with tests that are both reliable and valid is the only way to provide information to educators, parents and students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-58162316418438651632010-08-10T08:12:32.645-04:002010-08-10T08:12:32.645-04:00Yes! Absolutely. The 100 point system is what pare...Yes! Absolutely. The 100 point system is what parents understand and we need to have them as our partners. DOE needs to stop keeping them in the dark.<br /><br />It's obvious now that the 1-4 point system was created so that it could be easily manipulated and confuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-64210763188414143512010-08-09T21:28:30.111-04:002010-08-09T21:28:30.111-04:00Oh, I might not have been clear enough.
You are n...Oh, I might not have been clear enough.<br /><br />You are not talking about a simpler system at all. It is not the least bit simplistic.<br /><br />The thinking behind it, on the other hand? Well...ceolafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-56562648797185231812010-08-09T21:26:28.497-04:002010-08-09T21:26:28.497-04:00Simplistic and stupid?
Yeah.
1) I presume you me...Simplistic and stupid?<br /><br />Yeah.<br /><br />1) I presume you mean scale scores and not raw scores, right? I mean, you have to, because you cannot predict -- when designed and developing the test -- what raw score on this year's test or form will equate to a 75 on last year's test. So, I'll give you credit for intending raw scores.<br /><br />2) Even if you mean scale scores, you still have a problem. A <i>good</i> thing about the NYS tests is the 1-4 system. It does not imply a precision that the tests cannot provide. It does not prend that there can be a meaningful 1% increase in a student's score. It also doesn't imply that there is some magic to getting 2/3 of the questions correct.<br /><br />You see, our 65/100 is good enough to pass and 90/100 (or 94/100, as where I grew up) puts you in the top group is entirely arbitrary and implies things that it can't support.<br /><br />Ever grade an essay? Is there a difference between and 86 and an 87? Or a 66 and a 67? Those single points are meaningless, but a 100 point scale implies that they are. Is there a difference between a 650 and a 660 on the SATs? Of course not!<br /><br />You are talking about perpetuating a sytem that we need to diminish and move away from. Without people understanding confidence interval and standard deviations, such a 100-point scale acutally <i>misleads</i> in very important ways. Unfortunately, it's not just average parents who don't understand this. Politicians don't. Policy-makers don't. Even most teachers don't. <br /><br />So why not stick to a system reporting scale that can be easily explained?ceolafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-51285434766653177792010-08-09T21:19:18.174-04:002010-08-09T21:19:18.174-04:00Out of 100 points I give this blog post 100%. It ...Out of 100 points I give this blog post 100%. It would be wonderful to not look up the scores on the conversion table of lousy grades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-24888245084735511492010-08-09T21:16:17.872-04:002010-08-09T21:16:17.872-04:00Hear, hear!
In math we've been complaining ab...Hear, hear!<br /><br />In math we've been complaining about this for years.<br /><br />When the problems in the Bronx Science math department erupted, one of the problems was the <a href="http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/do-not-apply-the-bronx-high-school-of-science/" rel="nofollow">AP demanding that NO test have 100 points</a>.<br /><br />JonathanJonathanhttp://jd2718.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-81460088693489768562010-08-09T21:15:22.095-04:002010-08-09T21:15:22.095-04:00But then how could the statistics be manipulated t...But then how could the statistics be manipulated to keep our graduation rates so high?Pissedoffteacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07924089808582137198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-30825107442271262282010-08-09T21:04:10.265-04:002010-08-09T21:04:10.265-04:00Pretty please!!!Pretty please!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-74923000710489843292010-08-09T20:36:04.543-04:002010-08-09T20:36:04.543-04:00You got my vote.You got my vote.NYC Educatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188066345722781723noreply@blogger.com