tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post509304959384568571..comments2024-03-09T08:29:55.636-05:00Comments on NYC Public School Parents: Citizens of the World charter: parent choice or segregation?Patrick Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10631038958645725010noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-35991497581208536362015-04-23T23:53:39.183-04:002015-04-23T23:53:39.183-04:00You need to look at the demographics again for 201...You need to look at the demographics again for 2015. Best I can tell the cited white and asian families are markedly underrepresented in the current make up compared with district demographics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-11750301284433946642013-04-23T09:20:35.120-04:002013-04-23T09:20:35.120-04:00Think we were wrong about this? Check THIS out:
...Think we were wrong about this? Check THIS out:<br /><br />"Through targeted outreach and recruitment, our schools are intentionally designed to reflect their surrounding communities and the larger society in terms of race, ethnicity and socioeconomic status," the charter network says on its website.<br />But the New York enrollment memo seems to directly contradict that statement, with the most time and resource-intensive recruitment tools clearly aimed at a small pocket of affluent families, while cheap, low-impact tactics like handing out fliers reserved for Headstarts and churches where recruiters are instructed to "lean towards" black and Hispanic families. <br />A chart titled CSD 14 Priorities lists the recruiters' top strategy as "engaging core parent group" and describes the target of that strategy as "middle/upper income, predominantly white."<br />In District 17, the top priority is to "create core foundation of contacts," a strategy again targeted exclusively at "middle/upper income" parents. <br />Roughly half of the engagement strategies outlined in the memo are specifically intended to attract those same targets. <br /><br />It's not just the paperwork that's skewed to exclude in Crown Heights — the charter's parent information session was held at the Brooklyn Public Library's Central Branch, more than two miles from P.S. 221 but a stone's throw from the district's wealthiest parents in Prospect Heights.<br /><br />While Citizens showers its attention on affluent families, parents at P.S. 221 say they've barely heard from the school. <br /><br />"There’s been no community outreach or interaction," one mother of three who declined to give her name for fear of losing her job told DNAinfo in March.<br /><br />"We heard them speak for about two minutes — that’s been the breadth of our interaction with the folks at Citizens."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130423/crown-heights/brooklyn-charter-school-targets-rich-white-parents-enrollment-plan-shows#ixzz2RIBWEnO4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-29032997773832844342013-02-22T11:17:44.362-05:002013-02-22T11:17:44.362-05:00k8,
If I'm not mistaken, I heard that this yea...k8,<br />If I'm not mistaken, I heard that this year's K class for Community Roots is almost ALL white. Their Free/Reduced Lunch population is virtually unheard of in the district. <br /><br />I hear you about segregation, but charters are a BIG motor for segregation - and the charters designed to appeal to affluent white folk are a HUGE problem.<br /><br />Studies show that white parents choose schools, not necessarily based on what's happening inside the school but on the population of students. <br /><br />School segregation is a problem that requires community solutions, not capitulation to white fears.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-59559895948774216322013-02-15T16:18:23.691-05:002013-02-15T16:18:23.691-05:00I know this is an old post, but I'd like to ch...I know this is an old post, but I'd like to chime in. I take issue with your Dominicans and Puerto Ricans need not apply statement. Charter schools in New York generally have no problem attracting black and brown kids -- that's usually who fills up a charter school first. So if a school is committed to class AND race diversity, the sell that they have to make is to middle class parents, they are the ones who are more mobile, more likely to traipse around out of zone, or fake an address, pulls strings to get in out of zone, etc. So, if you want to get those parents into your school, then you're going to organize meetings in yoga studios, waterfront apartments, etc. I don't agree that these meetings in themselves indicate that Latino kids are unwanted.<br /><br />When Community Roots (a Charter School located in the projects in North Fort Greene, progressive, project based) became very popular, and the lottery pool got richer and whiter, Community Roots set aside a different lottery for school lunch eligible -- to keep their school diverse. To me, such efforts to keep all our children in the classroom together should be applauded and replicated. <br /><br />I think one reason I'm coming from a different place than some of the voices on this blog, is that the tragedy you point out in Williamsburg, that your local school already has all those great things. This is not the case for me. I agree a hundred percent that school segregation is an awful thing, and where I live, public schools are very segregated. I support Charters that reach out to the full range of families just as I would support public schools that do that. <br /><br />But even if the charter school didn't value lower income, black and latino students (which is not evident to me but this article sounds very sure of this), there exists the fact Charters are under legal obligation to be minority and school lunch eligibility enrolled up to a certain percentage. (40% is the number I'm remembering, but I'm not confident) or else they get SHUT DOWN. In that sense, the middle class white/Asian/European enclave you describe is illegal. While there is an argument about which numbers constitute a representative spread, I think it's important to point out that the rules that bind charters have addressed this issue. Have the rules addressed it meaningfully enough? I don't know, but a discussion of this issue seems disingenuous without pointing that out. <br /><br />Anyway, I think segregation is our society is a real missed opportunity for kids of all backgrounds. I do not want my kid in a white or upper class enclave and this reason is why we are not considering private schools. (The private preschool that my daughter attends has an excellent track record of private school admissions with scholarship money, so I don't think it's crazy of me to assume private schools are an option for us.) And that's why school making race and class diversity a central tenant sounds like a good thing to me. I'm unconvinced that the language is coded as you have interpreted it. I do feel sympathetic to your overall point of view. I don't live in Williamsburg but where i live, the elementary school my (middle class, white) child is zoned for is really not an option. So if I were forced to send my kid to that school, I would move out of the neighborhood. So as a parent who just wants better choices for her child, I have to go out of zone. I personally was hoping Citizens would open closer to us, and I would bet you better than even odds that some of the parents at our local zone school wish that, too. <br /><br />Thank you for this forum to express some of my thoughts on this very complicated issue that has such broad social consequences and such personal meaning to us parents. I wish the best for all of your children and all of our neighbors' children.k8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-26309949589129770262012-08-02T12:44:29.422-04:002012-08-02T12:44:29.422-04:00Etoy, I received you call but could not call you b...Etoy, I received you call but could not call you back with the phone number that you gave me. Please call the library again.<br /><br />Tomlovepoetryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03481991444876723738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-89666641774643072422012-05-21T16:02:49.587-04:002012-05-21T16:02:49.587-04:00Anonymous 2 must be a plant a real parent wouldnt ...Anonymous 2 must be a plant a real parent wouldnt have to be nameless and this talk of being rigorous who knows what that means in terms of education in the sense of thinking things through and the capacity to analysis issues not merely know how to take a test-but you both miss the point no matter how nice a school the overarching problem is nycdoe is a cash cow with millions for riends and relatives and an infrastructure of bureaucrats whether networks or iscs that make or break schools. the nyc school system by your own discriptions is a hodge podge more and more fragmented. there is no consistency as both comments make very clear and there was not a military style education in the sixties-to the contrary progressive ed and hands on where theoretically more popular than now- the schools for good or bad where not the hodge podge of today and in fact the new authoritarian approach is against progressive ed and because both minority parents to some extent and the elitist policy makers believe minority children need school as boot camp. liberal parents means mainly white parents on the segregated nyc school system.who is kidding whomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-49880561217998450862012-05-21T11:20:46.874-04:002012-05-21T11:20:46.874-04:00Anonymous from 9:34am
Charter schools don't o...Anonymous from 9:34am<br /><br />Charter schools don't offer PreK, so you won't be able to check that off your list.<br /><br />If PS31 is too rigorous for you? We have a TON of other schools to choose from in D14. Because our district is under enrolled, and because we have 8 elementary magnet schools, you're not forced to go to your zoned school at all.<br /><br />Not sure where you're getting your info from re: D14 schools, but PS84 is academic and has homework in K. AND next year they'll have smart boards in the Nest program. And they have sports. <br /><br />You will never find EVERYTHING that you want in any school. But, with our public schools, you have the opportunity to actually help get what you want in the schools.<br /><br />Will you please tell me which charter school is offering you EVERYTHING that you want?WAGPOPS!http://www.facebook.com/WilliamsburgGreenpointParentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-23763589600277344162012-05-21T09:34:05.845-04:002012-05-21T09:34:05.845-04:00Good points, I do not want to see existing local p...Good points, I do not want to see existing local public schools dilluted anymore than they are but when you are zoned for a school such as PS 31 you might then be interested in more choice. PS 31 has great test scores, homework in Pre-K but it also has a host of turn offs, no recess, limited science, little parent involvement, teaching too much to the test, reputation for yelling, etc. When a charter proposes recess and science every day, smart boards, sports, K-8 program, direct email and phone access to every admin/teacher in the building, etc., how can you not be interested? White, black or blue at that point you really don't care you just want a school that isn't stuck in 1960's military style. PS 84 has a very liberal parent body that may not be academic enough for some families. I want homework for my child every night in Pre-K and K, I want strong proven test scores, ecess and science every day, that is the modern world and these charters are presenting that. Rich kid or not I just want a modern strong academically rigorous environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2586988941850907367.post-54210103823653620942012-05-18T12:41:03.946-04:002012-05-18T12:41:03.946-04:00nycdoe is a cash cow - money flows through it like...nycdoe is a cash cow - money flows through it like an atlantic city casino oversight over the dispersion of money well what is the oversight? however the fact is mayoral control is about the goodies and the millions and millions of dollars that flow through this mess of an agency - the purpose of nycdoe is money not education and politically dismantling the uft and public school education which stand in the way of complete cash and carry. and of course segregation is an issue - the nyc schools are segregated and the basis of school policies here and elsewhere is the continuation of policies of social control in the classroom not education whatever education means in this country other then vocational training.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com